Kip Hawley

Guest Kip Hawley was Administrator of the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) from July 2005 to January 2009. He’s also just written the book, “Permanent Emergency: Inside the TSA and the Fight for the Future of American Security” available through his website (KipHawley.com), Amazon.com, and many bookstores.

We talk with Kip about how he came to be the TSA Administrator, the risk that business aviation presents, and the Large Aircraft Security Program. Kip explains why the full TSA “body search” shouldn’t be necessary and he gives us some interesting details about the plot that led to the ban on liquids over 3 ounces. We consider calls to privatize the TSA, and discuss managing security and managing risk, the public perception of “the threat” and just how large it really is, security theater, the cost of technology, behavioral profiling, the effects of TSA security on the travelling public and thus on the commercial aviation industry, the history of Blogger Bob from The TSA Blog, and even a little peek inside the Bush oval office.

Kip observes that the risk in counter-terrorism is nonlinear, whereas in aviation safety it is linear. We have to be looking for nonlinear risk but a lot of the risk models used came out of the FAA safety regime and don’t apply well to security.

The week’s aviation news:

In this week’s Australia Desk report:

Alligator Airways loses court bid to overturn CASA grounding, Army temporarily grounds Tiger Armed Recon Helicopters, Lockheed Martin ready to begin training RAAF pilots, Sydney Airport CEO claims the airport has plenty of spare space for expansion, Airservices Australia CEO steps down unexpectedly, China Southern to establish the “Canton Route” from Australia to the UK, Air Pacific announces a re-branding to Fiji Airways.

Find more from Grant and Steve at the Plane Crazy Down Under podcast, and follow the show on Twitter at @pcdu Steve’s at @stevevisscher and Grant at @falcon124.

In this week’s Across the Pond segment:

Pieter Johnson asks our adopted Spanish correspondent Diego Lopez-Salazar from Aeropodcast.com to give us some feedback on his recent trip to Mexico. He gives us a summary of the airline structure there and the key carrifull service, low cost models.

Find Pieter Johnson on Twitter as @Nascothornet, on his blog Alpha Tango Papa, and also on Facebook at XTPMedia.

Opening and closing music is provided by Brother Love from the Album Of The Year CD. You can find his great music at www.brotherloverocks.com.

4 Responses to “Episode 198 – Kip Hawley on the TSA”

  1. May 24th, 2012 | 5:42 am
  2. Randy DePasquale

    Another fantastic episode, guys! Just too bad David and Dan couldn’t be there to bring in their specific perspectives on the discussion of TSA history/policy, though Rob and Max did a great job. I’ve definitely got a new book to check out in the near future to learn more about the TSA. Thanks for another fantastic episode. Oh! And congratulations, Mr. Webb!

    May 24th, 2012 | 9:18 pm
  3. Thanks, Randy. Dan and David were gigantically sorry they couldn’t be available for the episode, and I agree that they would have added a lot.

    Kip’s book is also available as a Kindle Edition. You can get to the retailers if you click Buy Now on http://kiphawley.com/books

    May 26th, 2012 | 4:51 am
  4. Guest Kip Hawley was proprietor of the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) from July 2005 to January 2009. He’s also now printed the book, “Permanent Emergency: Inside the TSA and the Fight for the Future of American Security” accessible throughout his website (KipHawley.com), Amazon.com, and many bookstores.

    June 11th, 2012 | 6:47 am
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